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Divinitys Creature · Feb 28, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Dogs are pretty crap at hunting mice/rats, cats own at that.

{BHC}KingWarman88 · Feb 28, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Hey,

Cats need to know what a mouse llooks like lol. Not all cats are going to kill a mice at first look. if a cat never saw a mouse/mice because he/she been in a good house, then one day see one, she proably won't go after it ASAP,mabye after a few minutes/hours/day, but not then..

KamikazeChicken · Mar 01, 2007, 12:47 AM // 00:47

I'd get a blue one, if they ever started giving them away at crazy-cheap (free) prices.

Note: Blue colored coats to occasionally pop up in a liter, but they obviously can't be used to breed with. >.>

Divinitys Creature · Mar 01, 2007, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Lets just hope no-one wants a cat that looks like a human

If ya know what I mean

MMSDome · Mar 01, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

i dislike cats greatly but these things are friggin sweet.

{BHC}KingWarman88 · Mar 01, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Hey,

any cat that can kill humans are cool lol

*Alexiel* · Mar 04, 2007, 03:36 AM // 03:36

o_o

I so gots to get me one of those! - Though thats about as likely as one of these becoming a minipet in GW

<3 Kitties !

AetherBunny · Mar 04, 2007, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman88

Cats can't get mice unless they actually seen them and know the genes of actually killing them.

No, all cats are fully capable of killing mice without ever having seen them (though some cats are entirely uninterested in such barbaric nonsense ;D ). Chasing, catching, killing, & eating little things is very much ingrained since birth. True, cats tend to not be very good at killing mice unless they're taught--I've known several sheltered housecats to stalk about w/ an unlucky critter caught in its mouth butt-first... the cat knows that the critter should die, but doesn't know exactly how to make that happen--but it's not a genetic thing, it's an opportunity thing (ie, if the kitten had a chance to learn the proper hunting techniques from a cat who already had the knack).

AetherBunny · Mar 04, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by sindex

A good amount of animals are breed in captivity to ensure their release in a couple of years or so (some are kept with zoo’s and other places).

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A good amount of Siberian Tigers are dieing, due to pouching and their environment being burned for human resources. Hopefully they don’t go extinct, because I will miss them dearly.

True. It's nice that people are recognizing how much other people have screwed with the natural balance of the planet & are doing what they can to offset it.

I'm afraid, however, that I fail to see what this has to do with breeding housecats to look like tigers.

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The Toyger, as I said before are not going through some horrible experimentations. Furthermore their breeding is purely natural, because it has to deal with cats. They are leading most idle life style as well too. If you read the article it stated that, the only way to breed them is the old fashion way, and not by means of experimental cruelty. With these cats though, as I stated before, they have a purpose other then being collection at home. They are meant to look that way so we get a sense of what we can’t have from the wild.

I can't speak for anybody else, obviously, but I'm concerned that these cats are being bred for an "idle life style", for no reason beyond aesthetics & a selfish desire for a completely controlled & rather spurious connection to real wildlife.

There are far, far, FAR too many cats being bred, already: random "mutt" housecats, established show cats, & "designer" cats like Bengals & Savannahs. If there are already many thousands of homeless cats dying in shelters (and on the street) each year, why do we need new & exciting varieties of cats there aren't enough homes for?

I'm actually not anti-breeder, but I *am* anti-fashion breeder. As was already referenced: breeding an animal for health, temperment, conformation, longevity, or any real purpose? Wunderbar! Breeding an animal to give us a "sense of what we can’t have from the wild"? Ridiculous.

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Finally I’ll take it one step further by stating that genetics is not just some play thing. It has real purpose and meaning to all of us. Sure we have seen the goods and evils of it, but that’s all due to mans choices. You know Oppenheimer, never intentionally wanted the use of atomic energy to be manifested in such a destructive weapon as the nuclear bomb. Genetics can be used to seriously help people; but this type of genetic breeding will never ever meet the portions of something like the atomic bomb.

Wait... you're saying that as long as something isn't as immediately, catastrophically destructive as the A-Bomb, it's A-okay? o_O

No, genetics are not a plaything... and it's sad that companion animals have become more a fashion accessory than actually functional living creatures.

(Don't *even* get me started on "Doodles" ;P )

Smile Like Umean It · Mar 04, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by AetherBunny

True. It's nice that people are recognizing how much other people have screwed with the natural balance of the planet & are doing what they can to offset it.

I'm afraid, however, that I fail to see what this has to do with breeding housecats to look like tigers.

I can't speak for anybody else, obviously, but I'm concerned that these cats are being bred for an "idle life style", for no reason beyond aesthetics & a selfish desire for a completely controlled & rather spurious connection to real wildlife.

There are far, far, FAR too many cats being bred, already: random "mutt" housecats, established show cats, & "designer" cats like Bengals & Savannahs. If there are already many thousands of homeless cats dying in shelters (and on the street) each year, why do we need new & exciting varieties of cats there aren't enough homes for?

I'm actually not anti-breeder, but I *am* anti-fashion breeder. As was already referenced: breeding an animal for health, temperment, conformation, longevity, or any real purpose? Wunderbar! Breeding an animal to give us a "sense of what we can’t have from the wild"? Ridiculous.

Wait... you're saying that as long as something isn't as immediately, catastrophically destructive as the A-Bomb, it's A-okay? o_O

No, genetics are not a plaything... and it's sad that companion animals have become more a fashion accessory than actually functional living creatures.

(Don't *even* get me started on "Doodles" ;P )

Exactly what the gf said during her conniption over the article. Only she didn't put it as nicely.
She's the tree-hugger type, so it was kinda stupid of me to show her.

AetherBunny · Mar 04, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Believe me when I say the Toyger is going through the least of these problems with the whole breeding factor. I will not lie to you though; because it has been breed with one species of Persian cat it will maybe have kidney problems down the line. Furthermore it’s no different then us when we get certain flaws thanks to some genetic disability (like diabetes or certain types of cancer). Even if you had a dog or a cat, there is most likely a problem with that particular species.

One species of Persian cat? There is only one species of Persian cat, as there is only one species of Maine Coon, Havanese, Ragdoll, Siamese, Russian Blue, Bengal, Toyger, etc cat.

The article you're referencing wasn't saying that Toygers have been bred to Persians (I honestly can't see where any Persian would have anything to contribute to the Toyger "breed standard"). What they were trying to stress was that purebred animals (dogs & cats, especially, but other species as well), tend to have a number of faults particular to that breed. I think it's interesting that they'd mention kidney problems in Persians w/o even a casual mention of sinus or eye problems, or who knows what else... a challenge: does anybody personally know a Persian cat who's lived to be more than 10 years of age?

Anywho, genetic weaknesses in controlled breeding groups of animals is the fault of the breeder(s). When you breed animals, you have to take responsibility for culling everything that isn't a *completely* spectacular breeding animal (and by "culling" I don't mean anything as dramatic as killing... merely spaying/neutering/gelding/or otherwise taking that critter out of the breeding pool). Yes, some compromises have to be made... if a critter is very strong in a very desirable trait & a little weak in a couple of other less-desirable traits, then yes, breed him to some females who are exceptional in the trait that the stud is lacking. But, if a critter is very strong in a very desirable trait *and* clearly carries a debilitating genetic weakness... clearly that is an animal who should *not* be bred.

When a breeder starts selecting both sides of a breeding pair for one trait only without any thought of what else may be going on in that giant primoridal soup of DNA, and/or when a particular trait is consistently bred for while ignoring the sometimes completely hideous genetic baggage that might come with it... that's when things go very wrong.

Comparing human genetic weaknesses to "purebred" animals is, honestly, ridiculous. Humans are "bred" according to our own natural inclinations combined w/ societal expectations (more one than the other, depending upon our individual situations & which society we & our parents have been brought up in). I shan't point out the last time controlled breeding of humans was attempted, for fear of invoking Godwin's Law... suffice to say that human breeding is completely anomalous to the controlled breeding of companion animals.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 04, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman88

Hey,I hate cats.... They are Useless

Well, unlike dogs, cats don't:

-smell up the house on a rainy day

-slobber on everything

-chew up TV remotes, etc.

-crap all over the yard and drive way

-dig up landscaping

-bark incessantly

-chase cars

-roll around in malodorous piles of refuse

-hunger for attention all the time.

So, yes, cats aren't quite as "useful" as dogs, but they have a nature that is far more dignified in my opinion.

When a dog shows you affection, it's expected. When a cat is content in your company, it's a compliment.